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Doctor Who s06e07

Ahaha. Hahah. Ha. Ha.

AHAHAHA. And indeed, River Song is Amy & Rory's daughter. HAHAHAHAHA.

Well, lots of other things. Rory all badass in his Centurion uniform. The Doctor going all bad-ass as well then having the tables turned on him. Not one but two same-sex couples and one of them cross-species as well. Bad-ass women with swords.

Um, what else? Let us discuss in the comments.
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I think the theme of consequences of the Doctor's lifestyle is an interesting one that doesn't get brought up very often in the show.

And dammit, I knew that we had not seen the last of the alliance of various species that want him dead. Interesting that we learn more of their motivation and it's one that we can start to be sympathetic to.
So, are we all on the same page that River is both Amy and Rory's daughter and a time lady and the kid in the spacesuit and probably the one who kills the doctor? So, this must mean they don't find her for years and when they do find her, her mom tries to kill her and she gets kidnapped again, regenerates and is God knows where. I feel really sorry for the poor kid.

And does this mean it's the last season for the Ponds so they can go raise their family? I expected to be all anxious for the next episode and angsty that it was so far away, but I think I'm okay waiting, lol.
Oh, and is there going to be a betting pool for the number of either canon or crossover fics with the plot "We Had Sex on the TARDIS and All We Got Was This Lousy Time Lord?"

Hundreds? Dare I say a ficathon springs up around it? lol
"We Had Sex on the TARDIS and All We Got Was This Lousy Time Lord?"

Is it a t-shirt yet? Because it really needs to be.
Hahaha, it really should be. Although if you were going to a wear a t-shirt with that kind of a saying, I guess it'd be better if it said, "My parents had sex on the TARDIS and all they got was this lousy Time Lord/Time Lady." I'm so tempted to make it, lol.
I know Moff is trying to get away from the fact that everyone is scared of the Doctor etc - and that whole Oncoming Storm thing - and this is a good way to do it. Let's get back to the lovely mad man in a box.

Most had figured out about River - but it was done wonderfully...for a few seconds I thought she was telling him that she was actually a future incarnation of himself! Man, did I get worried!

What I loved most of all though...was the Doctor's reaction to it. That adorable little chuckle sent shivers through me. And the "kissy face" - love it!

Matt Smith nailed it in that one - we had the anger...the pain (and when he's in pain it hurts to watch) and then the sheer joy. Wonderful.
River is Amy and Rory's daughter. The little girl (who as yet has not definitely been proven to be River, although they do strongly suggest that) kills the Doc (but of course there's no guarantee they'll wrap that storyline up any season soon - they could leave it hanging indefinitely). The baby is with the people who created the 'flesh' versions of Amy and her baby - the consortium that is trying to kill the Doc.

And yes, we have to wait until Autumn.

And your question about the church being anti-Dr is a good one. Makes me question some of what happened in that episode with the weeping angels. Why would they have imprisoned River? Was she the trap to lure in the Dr? Presumably that means the church was organised by the anti-Dr consortium?
The little girl (who as yet has not definitely been proven to be River, although they do strongly suggest that) kills the Doc

Oh but that's not sure at all! We still don't know who the person in the space suit was. Besides since River knows the Doctor's future and perfectly remembers her own past, it's unlikely that she did it. The little girl from "The Impossible Astronaut "is probably River but I don't think she was the astronaut who killed The Doctor. The scene almost looked like a suicide, so my guess is that The Doctor himself was in that space suit.
You're quite right. They haven't definitely shown us that it was the girl who is in the astronaut suit, so we still don't know who kills the Dr, but we know that they're in an astronaut suit.

But we can't infer from River remembering her own past that she's not the one who kills him. If she has indeed been created as a weapon to use against him, it's possible the person in the astronaut suit is her in her own future.
True, and I suppose the person in the space suit could come from her future that is "Silence in the Library"/"Forest of The Dead" but River already "killed a good man" since it's the reason she was in prison, so I smell a red herring about the whole thing.
I think it's good idea to be alert for red herrings. I suspect we'll fall for them as much as the characters will.
Sherlock Holmes was an alien and female!

I'm worreid for Rory the Good Man now...Amy shot her own daughter in "The Imposisble Astronaut", and I'm afraid that River will kill her own father.
You know, I hadn't thought about that until you pointed it out, but the "good man" going to war in that episode could very easily be Rory not the Doctor. The Doctor explicitly rejects the "good man" label. While Rory is the one Amy is telling her daughter will be there to rescue her. The Centurion who guarded her for 2000 years is a good man at war. And Moffat, as you said, loves red herrings.

So. While I still think the #1 theory is River is the one in the astronaut suit, #2 (River shoots Rory) has possibilities.
the mysterious mr p
Look again at the Dr's reaction to the reveal:

He ALREADY KNOWS that he and Song habitually play kissy-face. Learning that she is the child of Amy & Rory would not affect him like that, it might feel creepily incestuous. What excites him is learning something else.

The crib says that it is for "So and So (Susan Foreman's mother?), Daughter of and Melody Pond".

That daughter is the one in the spacesuit in 1969. But she's out in the street by 1970. The one in the spacesuit in 2011 is the Doctor, acting out a scene he knows must happen to start the cycle; but it could be River, his daughter, or someone else. The best person for it to be emotionally is Amy.
Re: the mysterious mr p
River shoots him. She's a weapon to be used against him, right? Suppose she's a *successful* weapon. Then things move backwards and she learns what a mistake she's made: she meets the man he was before she killed him. She, moving forward, learns ever-more about him. He is moving backward toward his death.

Crib is for timelord baby. He's not alone any more. Single most important development! He doesn't have to be the last Time Lord now!

I want to see the origin story of the Silurian adventuress and her maid. LIKE NOW. Swords nao please.
Re: the mysterious mr p
As ever I am a pessimist who believes all invented universes are subtly incoherent and there's nothing to be done. Howmever:

He's already not the last timelord. He doesn't show much interest in hanging out with the others, though. For instance we hear him sometimes telling a companion "use setting X". At the end of the Almost People, why not hand the sonic to Rory and tell him to vape the creature? Then no one dies. And of course there is already the Doctor's Daughter. Ignoring all that:

In 1969 we see a wee child. I observe two things about that child: too young to be addressed the way the Doctor addresses the executioner. Not actually under anyone's control (certainly at the end of Day of the Moon when she seems to be in NYC harassing bums).

It would be tragic but believable that she escapes the Nazis and the Silents and strikes out on her own and is reeled back in and used to kill the Doctor. But I don't expect to see that level of tragic irony in Dr. Qui. That character played by that Karen Gillan chick in the Fires of Pompeii could come back and intone that River is fated to kill her own father and then have her eyes plucked out by harpies, but personally I am so looking forward the Alex Kingston/Karen Gillan lezbo scenes I'd almost put up with religiousoid hokery....NOT.

So you either swallow the version where the regenerating kid at the end of Day of the Moon is recaptured, indoctrinated, and goes on to kill Rory or the Dr. Or you swallow the version where she remains free but because of the web of misunderstandings etc. she kills the Dr. or Rory out of completely independent thought, as per the prophecies.

I hope anyone besides you followed all that.