Giles/Jenny sorry

This entry has no unifying theme.

One: Let's open with the fic wittering, since I feel like I ought to have posted a story last night, but I didn't.

I have 3000 words of angsty post-Eyghon story, with Giles and his dad. That's about 2300 words more than I had on Friday night. Yay. But it's not yet a complete story. Plus it's too on the nose and it's not fleshed out enough, yadda yadda. The usual pre-first-draft complaints.

I worked on three things at the same time, to be honest. One is the Giles-Jenny conversation immediately after "The Dark Age". One is the story of the incident itself, starting with Giles's departure from Oxford, intercut with the above as Giles talks to Jenny. So two story units, three separate batches of story-telling invention. It was fun to invent a new version of the Giles-Ethan-Randall thing, although my Theory of Eyghon has sort of stabilized and there will be echoes of things I've done in other stories with it.

The makes it clear, in case it wasn't already, that "The Co-Conspirators" is in the same little AU as the Giles/Jenny babyfic. Which I dearly hope does not fall into the usual traps of babyfic.

One (a): I implemented the experimental sortable story listing for my archive a while back and I said it didn't seem particularly useful to me. And yet, I have used it every single time I've needed to refer back to something I wrote earlier in a series or wanted to find a link, as in the previous paragraph. Interesting. Okay, interesting if you're me.

Two: I have copies of A Victory of Eagles and Robert McKee's Story in front of me. I'm far more interested in Story. I dimly recall some kind of cliffhanger in the previous Temeraire book, but the book also kinda kicked the desire to care out of me. I wish I'd stopped reading the series after the first book, which I enjoyed completely. I might read HMS Surprise for the Nth time instead. But sahiya says I'll like it so I'll probably read it in the bath and not tell her I put her book at such risk. Wait. I'm on her flist. Doh!

Three: Also! A question for you all! Do you feel the Buffy fandom is in desperate need of a long-format ficathon? A big-bang sort of thing? Perhaps coinciding with NaNoWriMo, though with a smaller wordcount requirement?

Or is this just me admitting finally that I need deadlines and that I want a deadline for the Highgate Cemetery story?

Random: Today's mind-boggler is this survey on income disparities that points to the disparity in not quite the place we expected. In brief, traditional men earn more than everybody else, and traditional women the least. The gap between egalitarian men and egalitarian women is far smaller. There are nuances; do read the article.
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Big-Bang a la what I've vaguely heard second hand that SGA fandom has? All I know of it is that all the stories are quite lengthy. I'm not sure of the details or what the minimums are etc., but it's an intriguing idea. I have two different WIPs, one for sure is a big piece - bigger than anything I've ever written. I can imagine a deadline to work toward might be the only incentive to get me back to it.

P.S. You've got one more tag to fix - the code after "A Victory of Eagles" needs to be an i, not an a. (I do the same thing all the time.)
The rules for sgabigbang are here; they run it over four months and have at least 1 internal deadline. But that deadline is so that stories can get handed off to artists. The big rules are 40K words minimum, two beta readers required. And it's a challenge, not an exchange, which I think is smart. (An exchange would be a nightmare. Imagine badgering people who are late with a 40K story, and imagine trying to find a pinch-hitter. Oh man.)

I think there's a Who fandom one as well. I need to track it down.

(Edited for clarity.)

I am attempting to learn to love the deadlines. Ulp.

Edited at 2008-09-22 07:10 pm (UTC)
I think Buffyverse fandom could use a big bang-style ficathon, but I think running it along with NaNo will probably *reduce* the number of people interested.
Interesting theory! What's your reasoning behind it? (You've been around fandom far longer than I, and have seen people in action more than I have, so I'm curious what experience you have there.)
By this point--or within the next couple of weeks--I anticipate that at least most of my friends list who do NaNo will have already picked out their NaNo story. Lots of people have known for months what they want to do for NaNo. (I may not be able to do NaNo, because I may be trying to catch up from having been ill for at least six weeks in September/October, but I've known for six months what I wanted to do for NaNo.)

So all those people--who are likely to be the sort who *might* pick a big-bang style ficathon, because they're opting to write long fiction in a limited time--already have something in mind, which may or may not be Buffy fanfic, for their NaNo novel. And they're certainly not likely to take on another large challenge during NaNo.

A short-fic ficathon, perhaps, but given the high degree of NaNo participation I see in LJ fandom (even if people quit/don't finish), I would assume that anyone who wants to write a novel in November is doing so--and a lot of the rest of them are gearing up for the December ficathon season.

I would *love* to see this sort of ficathon happen in the Buffyverse fandom, but think that maybe winter is a better time.
Cool, thanks, that's exactly the kind of feedback I was looking for.

The coincide-with-NaNo idea worried me, personally, more because of its collision with the December ficathon/fest season than because of the plan-ahead NaNo peeps. (My flist doesn't seem to be into NaNo this year, or if they are they're not talking about it where I can see.) It's a crowded season. January and February's schedules look clearer.
I do think the first Temeraire book was the most fun. Both times I read the one with "Jade" in the title, it dragged unmercifully and took forever to finish. I feel like the further Novik goes from her original "dragonriders! and Jane Austen!" sort of premise, into handling complex thematic material, the weaker she gets.

There, I said it. Don't everybody hit me at once--please take turns politely.
No hitting from me, because I kinda agree. I think she got distracted by the "world without colonialism" thing. Kinda tedious if what you signed up for was dragon battles at sea and the fun of watching somebody invent aerial tactics to go along with naval warfare tactics.

And yet, she's a young writer. Give her a forty-year career and we'll be seeing some fun stuff at the other end, I bet.
Men who think they're entitled to more than everyone else actually get it? Big surprise. Companies don't like to give more money to anyone but they don't like squeaky wheels even more so the people with the attitude that they deserve something typically get it just to shut them up.
Other studies have shown that that works for men but not for women. Women who attempt to negotiate for more pay/other employment benefits are viewed negatively while men who do the same aren't. Freaking tangled mess, all these culture and gender issues.

But entitlement complex as effective strategy makes sense to me given a lot of other stuff I've read about workplace strategies. Want to move into management? Start dressing like a manager. Act like you already have what you want to get, and you're more likely to get it for real.

Edited at 2008-09-22 07:07 pm (UTC)
I don't think it's about shutting up squeaky wheels. Companies are cheap, it's true, and that's why they save the raises for the people who demand them. You don't ask, you don't get. If they don't like you and you complain about your salary, they let you walk. Maybe it's more about a person being able to recognize his worth, explaining to upper management why he deserves more money, and then getting it.

Women are not taken seriously. Business is a boy's club.
You're totally preaching to the converted here.. :)
My point was mainly in the difference between the men who did think they're entitled to the money because they are men and men who did not. My supposition on that fact is that men who have more faith in egalitarianism are not going to view themselves as more worthy and therefore not push for the raise. We all know women get pooched on salary and it's not just because we don't ask. But there are many times when women do not push for it as well. To top it off, the same assertiveness that is considered charismatic in a man is often viewed negatively in a woman. Really, I think it's a catch-22: nothing short of a full paradigm shift is going to change the situation, but no shift will ever happen if women don't keep acting despite the fact that it's a losing proposition.
Yes, yes! Buffy big bang!

SGA took theirs from the first BB comm which was in the Harry Potter fandom. Currently there are also BBs for Heroes, Supernatural and Small Fandoms as far as I know.

Having participated in (and completed a story for) the SGA Big Bang I can say it was one of the most terrifying, hair-pulling, OMG-am-I-going-to-make-it experiences ever. But it was also the most fulfilling. To know that I actually could do it and that I accomplished it is one of my proudest moments as a writer.

I think a Big Bang for Buffy fandom is something that I would gladly participate in (though I do believe I said someone should hit me if I ever contemplated doing something like that again, but that was during the middle of the crazy).
Awe. Some. Good. I dunno when we'd run it, and I dunno exactly what ruleset or internal deadlines we'd have, but if more people react like you we'll do it.
i love long-format stories. i'm always wary in writing them, though. i get to 19,000 words and i'm like, who will still be reading this drivel? you know? i'm in the midst of some epic st:voy fanfic that i don't even know if i'll ever post because, you know...

on the other hand, my longest story was around 52,000 words and is still, several years later, the most popular thing i've ever written.

so yes, i think any fandom could benefit from some (WELL WRITTEN) epic fanfics, buffy included. especially fandoms that don't have new material (and coincidentally, all my favorites. buffy, voyager, harry potter, the west wing, and so on and so forth).
Mostly my reaction to seeing "new story! 25,000 words" is yay! I love long fiction and a nice chewy story I can sink into for hours.

One of the disadvantages of LJ as a fic-writing community is that it tends to suppress longer fic, because writers have to work harder to make it readable. Writers have to link chapters by hand, provide tags or memories to help readers find all the pieces, and so on. It's work, so fewer people do it.

If you were to, say, be offered a big-bang ficathon, when would be good for you? Cough, cough.
i put everything up on ff.net (i know, awful) simply because i don't have to use chapters if i don't want to and i can just link to it once and it sort of stays contained. but i think that there's got to be a better way but i just don't know about it. i mean, short of having my own domain and building an actual webpage which i'm totally unwilling to do.

so, for me, i cycle through fandom pretty regularly. i'll spend two or three months totally immersed in a single fandom, burn myself out and move on, and then, eventually come back. rinse and repeat. last summer i had my buffy cycle and i'm not really in it right now. that being said, i want to support and write for your BB so i guess winter would be best for me. let me get through fall and past nanowrimo and then i'll write thousands and thousands of words for you.

Edited at 2008-09-23 05:56 am (UTC)
Yay! Just basically, yay.

FF.net is a holding site. It's there and it's stable and it can handle a huge amount of traffic. So if I write anything non-smutty, I post it there too. It seems to have a reading audience just *completely* different from LJ's audience. So I think it has a place in the world, but I'd also like a more modern archive with fewer restrictions.
Per the gender gap / attitudes gap in pay: yeah, the whole gender-and-paychecks thing is very complicated, more complicated that anybody thought back in the good old days when it seemed as simple as "just pay women the same as men for the same job."

Another recent study on gender discovered that in in less gender-differentiated societies, men and women actually skew further away from each other in attitudes -- ie, when there's less in the society that defines men and women as separate types of people -- men and women seem to have more differentiated opinions/self-perceptions. This is really depressing in a way, because it says that no matter how gender-neutral a society gets, the men and women in that society find ways to self-identify along gender lines, ie they seem to intentionally create/embrace ways in which they are different from the other sex. Link to article:

http://tierneylab.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/09/the-growing-gender-gap/?scp=1&sq=gender%20differentiation&st=cse

McKee's Story ! We gotta go to his workshop!

And Highgate Cemetery! Squee!
Highgate! Cambridge! Other neat places! I'm starting to get excited. Oh. Remind me to buy a raincoat.
Speaking as someone who has done mostly reading instead of writing, I LOVE the idea of a Buffy Big Bang.

I'm still working through this year's SGA Big Bang stories, but some of them have been the best stories I've read. Period.

I can't wait to see what Buffy writers would come up with. Hell, I might write for it, I certainly have a lot going on in my brain I could finally put to paper.

Would you have artist's participate, as well?

Also, I completely agree that January/February would be the best time to start it.

LoL, now I'm all giddy! This is definitely the best idea ever, or at least this week.
In re: artists-- sahiya and I are going to put up a feeler post to get a sense of how much interest there'd be from writers and artists both. If we have the artists, we'll do it. I personally love having my stories illustrated!